Moore seeks to refocus campaign on conservative religious values amid firestorm

By Elise Viebeck, Dino Grandoni, and John Wagner

Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore of Alabama sought to refocus his campaign on the conservative religious ideals most likely to motivate his base voters, dismissing the national firestorm over allegations that he pursued teenage girls when he was in his 30s.

Addressing a gathering at the Huntsville Christian Academy in Huntsville, Ala., on Sunday night, the former judge suggested that he was investigating his accusers, threatened to sue The Washington Post and called on the United States to restore its culture by going “back to God.”

“We can be proud of where we came from and where we’re going if we go back to God,” Moore said at his second public event since The Post reported the allegations of misconduct last week. “If we go back to God, we can be unified again,” he said.

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15 COMMENTS

  1. “conservative religious ideals” ?

    His ‘god’ interfered with a ‘virgin’, probably still in her early teens, and got her pregnant.

  2. Bring me my Bow of burning gold;
    Bring me my Arrows of desire:
    Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
    Bring me my Chariot of fire!

    Well, chariot of fire or not, he seems to have ignited some sort of reactionary conflagration in his country, by repute he scores very highly on arrows of desire, but the Christian right thrives on clouds of ignorance!

  3. @OP – Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore of Alabama
    sought to refocus his campaign on
    the conservative religious ideals
    most likely to motivate his base voters,

    (Thou shalt not get caught thieving or raping????) 🙂

    I see Trump is also focussing on “conservative religious ideals” – in support of deplorables, who having been selected as international sports emissaries and representatives of their university and country, have disgraced themselves by acting as common thieves!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42002009

    At a news conference, UCLA basketball players LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley, and Jalen Hill admitted stealing from a shopping centre in Hangzhou.

    Three US athletes caught shoplifting in China have thanked President Donald Trump for helping free them after he wondered if they would be grateful.

    The trio, who were held on 8 November and flew back to Los Angeles on Tuesday, apologised for their actions.

    President Trump had said they were heading for a lengthy prison term.

    The first-year students were arrested ahead of a match in Shanghai, accused of thieving expensive sunglasses from a high-end mall.

    White House chief of staff John Kelly has detailed how Mr Trump intervened in their case during his own Asian tour.

    “The president was saying, ‘It’s not too serious. We’d love to see this taken care of in an expeditious way.'”

    The White House chief of staff said China agreed to reduce the charges, leading to their release.

    The players looked sheepish at Wednesday’s press conference as they apologised to their teammates, coaches, family, university and the people of China.

    US thieves abroad, apparently need to have presidential intervention, to keep them above the law (and protect them from foreign so-called judges????)! 🙂

  4. @OP – conservative religious values

    Ah! Those wonderful religious “get-out-of-jail-free” values, which faith-deluded politicians quote world-wide, as excuses for their failures!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-42091347

    Indians have reacted angrily after the health minister from Assam state said cancer “is divine justice” caused by “past sins of a person”.

    Himanta Biswa Sarma said that people could also get diseases like cancer “because of the sins of their parents”.

    He is right, to the extent that children living in close proximity to heavy smokers, ARE being made vulnerable to lung cancer and other diseases! The children of anti-vaxers can also get viral triggered forms of cancer!

    Cancer patients and their relatives said they were saddened by the minister’s statement.

    Opposition parties have described his comments as “unfortunate”, and demanded a public apology.

    State opposition party the All India United Democratic Front said Mr Sarma had made the statement to “cover his failure to control the spread of cancer in the state”.

    Which is also true, as the failure of various Indian states to curb pollution, undoubtedly contributes to carcinogens and illnesses!

    “God makes us suffer when we sin. Sometimes we come across young men getting inflicted with cancer or young men meeting with accidents. If you observe the background you will come to know that it’s divine justice. Nothing else. We have to suffer that divine justice,” The Times of India quoted him as saying.

    Which is of course an example of woo-brained mumbo-jumbo excuse making!
    (Don’t blame me for my health and safety failures as HEALTH MINISTER – god-did-it!)
    There is nothing “divine” about children or young workers, suffering as a result of parental, religious, or political stupidity and negligence!

  5. I think it is very obvious to rational folks the consequences when people elect god-deluded fundamentalists to positions of political power!

    Those god-delusions just HAVE TO dominate everything with top priority, when their puppet humans achieve power! !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42129365

    Israel health minister resigns over Sabbath rail works

    An Israeli government minister has resigned in a dispute about railway maintenance on the Sabbath.

    The Health Minister Yaakov Litzman, is a member of the ultra-orthodox United Torah Judaism party that helps keep Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition in power.

    Ultra-orthodox Jews object to work being carried out on the Sabbath – the Jewish day of rest.

    However, the coalition does not appear to be in jeopardy for now.

    A spokesman for Mr Litzman’s party told AFP it had no plans to leave the coalition “at this stage”.

    Mr Netanyahu, whose government has only a slim parliamentary majority, said all members of the coalition were in favour of its continued existence.

    “The Sabbath, as well as the needs of all Israeli citizens, including, of course, the need for safe and consistent transportation are important to us. I’m sure that we will find an educated solution to this,” he said.

    ‘Jewish values’

    In his resignation letter, Mr Litzman said: “I cannot bear ministerial responsibility for the severe harm to one of the eternal values of the Jewish people, which is the Sabbath.”

    Essential railway maintenance work is less disruptive for travellers if it is carried out on the Sabbath, as no trains run between sunset on Friday and sunset on Saturday.

    Israel Railways said that some maintenance work on the Sabbath must be carried out to avoid congestion and ensure public safety.

    Ultra-orthodox parties, which hold 13 of the government’s 66 seats in parliament, have played an increasingly important role in Israeli politics in recent years.

    As Health Minister, I wonder if he also objected to doctors and medical staff working on accident victims on the Sabbath!?

  6. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42124446

    About 200 people were injured when security forces tried to disperse an Islamist sit-in at the Faizabad Interchange – a key highway.

    The protesting Islamists, from the hardline Tehreek-i-Labaik Ya Rasool Allah Party, want the law minister to be sacked for omitting a reference to the Prophet Muhammad in a new version of the electoral oath.

    The minister has since apologised saying it was a clerical error.

    The protesters have been blocking the highway for several weeks, demanding the sacking of Law Minister Zahid Hamid whom they accuse of blasphemy.

    Pakistani media report that demonstrators also broke into the minister’s residence in Punjab province. Mr Hamid and his family were not in the building.

    The protests have spread to other cities, including Lahore and the southern port of Karachi.

    What? No deference to the Prophet Muhammad in the oath of elected officials????? How can this be a “proper theocracy”? 🙂

    Next Law Ministers will be suggesting secular laws to respect minorities!!!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/15/pakistani-police-clash-with-protesters-at-anti-blasphemy-sit-in

    Ahmadis, who according to different estimates constitute between 500,000 and 4 million people in Pakistan, have long been persecuted. They came under renewed pressure in October when the deposed prime minister’s son-in-law in parliament called them “a threat to this country” who should be banned from the armed forces.

    Protesters say anyone who attempts to accommodate the beleaguered community is attacking the sanctity of the Islamic faith and should be hanged under the blasphemy laws.

    “We have come from far and wide to protest these changes that have been made. They are changing the very definition of Muslim, and that is wrong,” said Hassan Abdullah, 32, a businessman from Lahore.
    He said the government was not taking the issue of blasphemy seriously.

    “The government is in collusion [with the Ahmadi Muslim sect].

  7. rogeroney #1
    Nov 13, 2017 at 5:12 pm

    His ‘god’ interfered with a ‘virgin’, probably still in her early teens, and got her pregnant.

    Apparently the story arose because of a mistranslation as “virgin”, for a word meaning “young woman” in an earlier text; – followed up by a bit of fanciful miracle-minded supernaturalist wish-thinking, and sensationalist elaboration!

    Those beloved faith-based “alternative facts” have been around for centuries! 🙂

  8. Further to #8:-
    What? No deference to the Prophet Muhammad in the oath of elected officials?????
    How can this be a “proper theocracy”? 🙂

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42133413

    Pakistani Islamists who clashed with police at the weekend have called off national protests after the resignation of Law Minister Zahid Hamid.

    Reports from Islamabad and other cities say protesters are starting to leave.

    They have been blocking a main road in the capital for weeks demanding Mr Hamid be sacked for blasphemy.
    He apologised for what he called an error.

    At least six people are believed to have been killed when clashes erupted on Saturday and some 200 were injured.

    The civilian government is being criticised for backing down in the crisis, which raises new questions about the military’s role in Pakistani politics.

    “On the assurance of the Chief of Army Staff, we are calling off the sit-in,” protest leader Khadim Hussain Rizvi told several thousand demonstrators from the Tehreek-i-Labaik Ya Rasool Allah Party in Islamabad on Monday.

    The law minister was accused by the protesters of blasphemy after a reference to the Prophet Muhammad was left out of a revised version of the electoral oath.

    “The decision to resign was taken in a bid to steer the country out of the prevailing critical situation,” Mr Hamid was quoted as saying by Pakistan’s Tribune newspaper.

    According to the Dawn newspaper, the protesters have in turn agreed not to issue a fatwa, or Islamic religious ruling, against the minister.

    The government gave way on a range of demands, including freeing arrested protesters and paying for the clean-up operation.

    Strange how people with so many other (heretical?) philosophies, have difficulty, living alongside that “persecuted religion of peace”!

    Perhaps Roy Moore should go to Pakistan to test out the practical workings of his campaign for conservative [Christian] religious values!

  9. Moore seeks to refocus campaign on
    conservative religious values

    http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_05/d_05_cr/d_05_cr_her/d_05_cr_her.html

    The reptilian brain, the oldest of the three, controls the body’s vital functions such as heart rate, breathing, body temperature and balance.
    Our reptilian brain includes the main structures found in a reptile’s brain: the brainstem and the cerebellum. The reptilian brain is reliable but tends to be somewhat rigid and compulsive.

    The limbic brain emerged in the first mammals. It can record memories of behaviours that produced agreeable and disagreeable experiences, so it is responsible for what are called emotions in human beings.
    The main structures of the limbic brain are the hippocampus, the amygdala, and the hypothalamus. The limbic brain is the seat of the value judgments that we make, often unconsciously, that exert such a strong influence on our behaviour.

    Ah! Basic primordial knee-jerk responses from primitive thinking mechanisms!

    The neocortex is flexible and has almost infinite learning abilities.
    The neocortex is also what has enabled human cultures to develop.

    It’s a pity he just cannot focus on using this later evolved brain area, to LEARN about the more advanced features of human societies!

  10. It seems there are similar mental dysfunction or deterioration issues with Trump – as are pointed out over here!

    https://www.richarddawkins.net/2017/12/open-discussion-december-2017/#li-comment-228565

    Donald Trump Needs a Brain Test

    Trump shows little concern for the thoughts and feelings of others (more below), which could be a product of personality and privilege, but could also be a sign of cognitive decline.
    His impulsivity and lack of inhibition is particularly concerning; often, when someone who can’t stop themselves from saying or doing the wrong thing, it is because they are really and truly unable to stop themselves from saying or doing the wrong thing.
    In many such individuals, the frontal lobe of the brain has deteriorated significantly.
    As Vox points out, “Such frontal impairment often does not stop at troublesome communication, but has physical manifestations such as childlike facial expressions and physical restlessness, both features we see in Trump.”

    Dysfunction in memory, attention and concentration: Trump could just be a liar (again, more below) that is very good at convincing himself of his own falsehoods.
    But his dishonesty could also be a sign that he struggles to keep things straight, and he can’t actually remember what is true and what is not.

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  12. Moderator #13
    Dec 11, 2017 at 7:31 am

    Sorry Mods.

    I was trying to move and separate “the neuroscience of religious values discussion”, from other issues on the Open Discussion thread.

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