Life Driven Purpose, pg 151

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“Even if the spirit does exist in some unknowable way – in spite of my impertinence in asking for a definition – what do believers mean when they say it is “outside” of nature? Exactly where is that? If a spirit is outside of nature, it still must be somewhere, in a region “beyond.” And that is a still a place. Something might indeed be outside our own observable universe in the wider cosmos, but how can anything be outside of nature? Universes within the multiverse would certainly be outside of each other, but they would still be part of the natural cosmos. If we don’t have a coherent definition of “outside of nature,” then it is meaningless to suggest that that is where the spirit or supernatural exists. ”

-Dan Barker, Life Driven Purpose, pg 151

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  1. @OP – “Even if the spirit does exist in some unknowable way – in spite of my impertinence in asking for a definition – what do believers mean when they say it is “outside” of nature?

    They mean to bamboozle the audience with ‘fisticated theological pseudo-philosophy, which is beyond criticism and refutation, because it is too undefined, vague, and incoherent, to be rationally discussed!

    Hence the mumbo-jumbo “unknowable hand-waving” incoherent shuffling verbosity”!

    (“See you can’t refute my vague immaterial thingummy”, so I claim it is correct by the authority of ink-blot interpretation and the negative proof fallacy!)

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