‘Faith is central to American life’: Those without faith feel excluded from Trump’s vision of America

By Eugene Scott

The number of Americans professing no religious ties is growing, but President Trump reemphasized at the National Prayer Breakfast that faith is key to being an American.

“Faith is central to American life and to liberty,” he said in a speech Thursday morning.

“As long as we open our hearts to God’s grace, America will be free, the land of the free, the home of the brave and the light to all nations.”

The National Prayer Breakfast is a massive ecumenical gathering that draws thousands of people from around the world, The Washington Post’s Sarah Pulliam Bailey reported, especially from the United States’ white evangelical community, which continues to give Trump high approval marks.

This year’s event included as many as 60 representatives from Russia’s religious and political communities, according to CNN, more than three times the number that attended last year’s event.

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13 COMMENTS

  1. “Faith is central to American life and to liberty,” he said in a speech Thursday morning.

    (aside) ” As long as it’s OUR kind of ‘Faith'”.

  2. @OP – “Faith is central to American life and to liberty,” he said in a speech Thursday morning.

    Not quite!

    Faith-thinking is central to Republican American life, and to the exploitation of gullible voters by libertarians,” he failed to say in a speech Thursday morning.

  3. Faith is central to American life and to liberty

    If there’s one thing in this life that restricts the freedom and liberty of women it’s religion.

  4. @OP – Those without faith feel excluded from Trump’s vision of America

    Those devoid of faith in delusional beliefs and fantasy propaganda, dissociate themselves from “Trump’s fake image of a Republican Utopian America”!

  5. Don’t think ‘excluded’ is quite the way I’d put it.

    More like desperate not to be a part of it.

    Trump will split America more than Brexit has split the UK.

  6. Meanwhile Iceland is addressing the perverted faith-based forms of child abuse! – amid howls of protest from the traditional victimisers!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43111800

    Religious groups have condemned a bill in Iceland’s parliament that would ban circumcision for non-medical reasons.

    The draft law would impose a six-year prison term on anyone guilty of “removing part or all of the [child’s] sexual organs”, arguing the practice violates the child’s rights.

    Jewish and Muslim leaders however have called the bill an attack on religious freedom.

    Iceland would be the first European country to ban the procedure.

    The country is thought to have roughly 250 Jewish citizens and around 1,500 Muslim citizens.

    MP Silja Dögg Gunnarsdóttir of the Progressive Party, who introduced the bill at the start of the month, said: “We are talking about children’s rights, not about freedom of belief.

    “Everyone has the right to believe in what they want, but the rights of children come above the right to believe.”

    Iceland passed a law in 2005 banning female genital mutilation, and supporters of this move have compared it to that law.

    The latest bill (in Icelandic) says circumcision “involves permanent interventions in a child’s body that can cause severe pain”.

    If it passes its first reading, the draft law will go to a committee stage before it can come into effect.

    The Nordic Jewish Communities issued a statement condemning the ban on “the most central rite” in their faith.

    “You are about to attack Judaism in a way that concerns Jews all over the world,” the open letter reads.

    Jewish campaign group Milah UK stated that comparisons with female genital mutilation are unwarranted, given that in the case of male circumcision there is “no recognised long-term negative impact on the child”.

    Imam Ahmad Seddeeq at the Islamic Cultural Centre of Iceland also criticised the move.

    “It’s… part of our faith,” he said.” It’s something that touches our religion and I believe that this is… a contravention [of] religious freedom.”

    Yeah! – A bit like the “right” of Catholic priests to inflict other forms of sexual abuse on children, while their bishops and the Vatican cover up for them, and move them to fresh pastures!

    The** Bishop of Reykjavik**, Agnes M. Sigurðardóttir, warned Jewish and Muslim people could feel “unwelcome” in Iceland.

    Faith-heads being asked to make child abusers feel unwelcome!
    Horrors!
    Could witch-hunters and faith-healers be made unwelcome next? 🙂

    “The danger that arises, if this bill becomes law, is that Judaism and Islam will become criminalised religions,” she said.
    “We must avoid all such forms of extremism.

    Which illustrates the tribalistic support generated by irrational “faith-thinking” for extreme religious groups – and the psychological projection common to those wearers of goody-goody faith-badges asserting the moral superiority of dogmas – with a mental disconnect from actual physical activities which harm people!

    Is circumcision safe?

    . . . Precisely the sort of question faith-thinkers do not bother to ask!

    Although it is a relatively simple medical procedure, circumcision is not entirely risk free.

    The main risks of the surgery are bleeding and infection.

    In the UK, the chance of these occurring is between one in 10 and one in 50.

    Irrespective of effects sex-lives, there are significant risks, even in countries with modern medical facilities!

  7. Imagine demanding the right to slice bits off your children’s genitals.

    What a powerful illustration of the harmful effect religion can have on the mind!

  8. Alan

    Not only do these pro-circumcision groups have no understanding of the risk of infection due to poor education on the subject (Many N. Africans and Mid Easterners are not informed as to the existence of bacteria, viruses, etc. !) but they also hold uninformed views on the medical problems that uncircumcised men face. They imagine an infection rate that is very high, unhygienic horrors and other issues that would interfere with fertility (a life catastrophe in an honor based society.) This is not to say that these problems don’t exist, just they imagine that it happens in high numbers to uncircumcised men.

    Real numbers must be presented in ways that uneducated people can understand them, although if it comes from infidels then it will be seen as a conspiracy to destroy their society.

    To the women who claim that they prefer the way a circumcised penis looks I say how would you like it if men decided that they don’t like how your genitals look and then start a trend to slice off the genitals of baby girls? These statements may seem benign at the time but can drive a trend that is very harmful to a group of others.

    Notice how over the top the responses are from the Jewish and Muslim leaders. Claims that their whole religion will be destroyed over a damn foreskin. Disgusting and bizarre that these creeps spend this much time thinking about the genitals of innocent babies and children. Let’s all have a happy family party while we slice off a piece of our beautiful baby’s penis! 🙁 Give me a break.

    If these cruel, unethical, antiquated ideologies want to survive at all then they could easily substitute a more benign tradition to replace the excruciating bloody procedure. (Bloody in the literal American sense of the word!). You can still have your family party with the traditional comfort food and gifts and dancing. Slice up a roast beef instead of your own son’s penis and learn about something that’s called ETHICS ffs.

  9. LaurieB #9
    Feb 19, 2018 at 9:01 am

    To the women who claim that they prefer the way a circumcised penis looks . . . . . .

    I would just say they are parroting nonsense, while demonstrating their ignorance and sexual inexperience.
    (The usual “know-nothings” with opinions)

    A circumcised penis with no foreskin, is almost indistinguishable (in appearance), from a normal penis with a fully retracted foreskin, – but lacks the ability to cover and protect sensitive areas from abrasion and lacks ability to make the normal independent movements of the skin!

  10. Alan

    All of your reassurance on the matter will be for nothing when women are taught by example to freak out at the mention of the uncircumcised penis. In regions of the world where circumcision is at or near 100%, there is no way for them to verify this statement! These same societies make it impossible for young women to investigate the matter first hand. Both the Jewish and Muslim communities threaten their women to remain “pure” and when the time comes make a formal marriage – the only legitimate source of sexual behavior, they are again threatened with hellfire and banishment if they even consider marrying or engaging in sexual behavior with any guy outside of their tight little control freak community. As you say, ignorance and sexual inexperience.

    Though the two different configurations of penis look the same in an engorged state, even an inexperienced woman discovers soon enough that men don’t walk around most of the time in that particular state and there will be plenty of time spent observing that penis in a relaxed state – the very state that some of these women find to be unattractive. How much time the penises of the world actually spend in one state or another is unknown to me but as I’m told, depends somewhat on age and probably some other factors of which I’m completely unaware of.

    Interesting side note; I read somewhere that men are much more aware of their own degree of sexual excitement and interest than women are. Apparently there are different degrees of engorgement that are clearly obvious to men but the physiological responses to sexual stimuli that women experience are mostly internal and we have no clear picture that these reactions are underway or at least not until we are in full on engagement. Can’t remember where I read it but seems like a discrepancy that could be useful to know about.

    I’m certainly not making excuses for these dumbbells, just that the problem is caused in part from their shallow assessment of the situation and then go on to offer their infant sons to go under the knife thereby perpetuating the vile practice.

    Ugh. This is now off topic. Mods, just zap this off if you want to.

  11. Those Trumpy White House pseudo-professionals, just can’t get a grip on following procedures and legal processes – or perhaps they are not being allowed to, if Trump is back-seat driving against professional advice!!
    Trumpist faith-thinking in place of law which is acceptable to judges, does not seem to be working very well for them!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43202074

    Daca Dreamers: Supreme Court snubs Trump appeal over immigrants

    The US Supreme Court has inflicted a blow on the Trump administration’s bid to end a programme letting young undocumented immigrants stay in the US.

    Lower courts blocked the president’s plan to scrap Daca by 5 March.

    But the high court said it would not hear the case as no appeals court has yet ruled on the issue.

    The administration asked the justices whether it was entitled to shut down the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (Daca) scheme next month.

    The administration was seeking permission from the Supreme Court to continue dismantling Daca while various legal challenges unfold.

    But the justices said in a brief order on Monday morning that the appeal was “denied without prejudice”.

    Which basically means:- “Follow the proper procedure – stupid!
    “NO! You can’t plough on regardless, assuming approval for a matter while its legality is still being decided!”

    The Supreme Court also said it expects the lower court system to “proceed expeditiously to decide this case”.

    A San Francisco-based federal court issued a nationwide injunction last month that Daca must remain in place pending litigation.

    The ongoing political and judicial to and fro leaves some 700,000 mostly Hispanic children and young adults – known as Dreamers – in legal limbo.

    There is still no agreement in Congress about what could replace Daca, though some members of Congress are reportedly working on new proposals.

    The Supreme Court’s decision could delay discussions on Daca until after the US midterm elections in November.

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