Catholic Hospitals Require the Burial of Fetal Remains; All of Texas May Follow

Apr 20, 2018

By Hemant Mehta

Last year, Texas passed a law saying all fetal remains had to be buried or cremated. That used to be the case only for fetuses older than 20 weeks, but the new anti-abortion measure made the age irrelevant. The law also banned donation of that tissue for research purposes. It was blocked by a federal judge earlier this year, just days before it was supposed to go into effect, and that’s where we are right now.

While the intent was to dissuade women from having abortions, the reality was that women who suffered miscarriages or had very early abortions were essentially forced to treat it as a homicide, complete with burial. (As if a fetus that was never viable required a burial.) For women who went through a miscarriage, it only added insult to injury. But that’s what happens when anti-abortion officials get to write the laws.

How does a law like that even come into existence? You won’t be surprised to learn it has religious roots.

Sophie Novack at the Texas Observer just published the heartbreaking story of Blake Norton, who experienced the effects of this law before it ever became a law. That’s because, in 2015, when her doctor realized her 11-week-old baby didn’t have a heartbeat, he sent her to a Catholic hospital to remove the tissue. And that hospital already had a burial policy in place.

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14 comments on “Catholic Hospitals Require the Burial of Fetal Remains; All of Texas May Follow

  • Catholic hospital

    The problem is is with the oxymoron “Catholic hospital”.

    “Catholic” doctrine, and science-based medicine are incompatible!!

    Last year, Texas passed a law saying all fetal remains had to be buried or cremated.

    Was some ritual required, as clinical waste is normally incinerated anyway? – Or was this just a ploy to obstruct the constructive use of fetal tissue in research or stem-cell therapies?

    But that’s what happens when anti-abortion officials get to write the laws.

    . . . . . Probably just the know-it-all-god-deluded ignoramuses, abusing positions of authority, to inflict their dogmas on other people!

  • @OP – Last year, Texas passed a law saying all fetal remains had to be buried or cremated. That used to be the case only for fetuses older than 20 weeks, but the new anti-abortion measure made the age irrelevant.

    If burial or cremations are legally required, this provides employment opportunities for priests who wish to promote their woo while exploiting the emotionally upset!

    The law also banned donation of that tissue for research purposes.

    Clearly woo-priorities demand that competing medical researchers, who are working on real medical benefits for the living, can’t be allowed to compete with, or reduce the employment or messages of after-life salesmen! 🙂

  • @OP – It was blocked by a federal judge earlier this year, just days before it was supposed to go into effect, and that’s where we are right now.

    In cases like this and in the UK example on this other thread, . . . .

    A group of protesters supporting terminally ill toddler Alfie Evans have tried to storm Alder Hey hospital.

    . . . . .. it should be very obvious why Catholic delusions of infallible doctrines, are incompatible with civil laws and good medical practise!

  • @#2 – . . . . .. it should be very obvious why Catholic delusions of infallible doctrines, are incompatible with civil laws and good medical practise!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43904809

    Alfie Evans: Parents and doctors to discuss sending toddler home

    The parents of seriously ill toddler Alfie Evans will meet with doctors later to discuss taking him home, his father has said.

    His father also said on national television BEFORE THE MEETING, that “HE was RIGHT”, – despite all the expert rulings from doctors and judges!

    The Court of Appeal upheld a ruling on Wednesday preventing the 23-month-old from travelling abroad after life support was withdrawn.

    Clearly the specialist UK doctors and judges, deem transport to Italy for Vatican-linked “theistic medicine” and pope-magic, is inappropriate, and not in Alfie’s best interests.

    He added: “Alfie doesn’t need intensive care any more. Alfie is lying on the bed with one litre of oxygen going into his lungs and the rest is him.

    Some people say it’s a miracle, it’s not a miracle, it’s a misdiagnosis.”

    NO! It is a miracle!
    Alfie’s father as an untrained amateur, has miraculously acquired a diagnostic skill, superior to ALL the paediatric doctors involved! – UNLESS THIS IS JUST SELF DELUSION!! 🙂

    Roger Kiska, a solicitor at the Christian Legal Centre which is part of the legal team supporting Mr Evans, told Radio 4’s Today programme the legal battle is not over and “there are other options”.

    Mr Evans said: “All I ask for now is for this meeting to be a positive one and I hope to have Alfie, on the terms of mine and Alder Hey, to be home within a day or two”.

    “If the meeting doesn’t go well today, well then I’ll go back to court.”

    ASSUMING that any more courts are prepared to hear repetitions of claims they have already dismissed multiple times!

    Lord Justice McFarlane, who led the appeal court panel, said there was no prospect of the challenge succeeding and Alfie was in “the middle” of a palliative care plan.

    The hospital has seen several protests in recent weeks organised by a campaign group calling itself “Alfie’s Army”.

    On Wednesday, bosses at the hospital defended staff who they said had endured a “barrage” of abuse. Merseyside Police is investigating claims patients and staff were intimidated.

    Chairman of the hospital trust Sir David Henshaw said in an open letter that staff had been the subject of “unprecedented personal abuse that has been hard to bear”.

    Ah! that “superior morality”, derived from the know-it-all-confidence in the “faith-beliefs” of those tribally “GOOD” doctrinaire Christians”, even in the face of overwhelming evidence and expert advice from properly qualified professionals!

    “All the the doctors and judges must be wrong! – the Dope in Vatican said so”! 🙂

  • @OP – The law also banned donation of that tissue for research purposes.

    Strangely, while obsessively opposing the preservation of living human tissue for research purposes, the irrational dogma-dominated, also sometimes try to insist on the indefinite preservation of infants (@#4) in a degenerative vegetative state! – and in both cases claim to be “pro-life”!

  • This is a prime example of why Catholic theocrats should not be involved in the running of hospitals!

    @#4 – Roger Kiska, a solicitor at the Christian Legal Centre which is part of the legal team supporting Mr Evans, told Radio 4’s Today programme the legal battle is not over and “there are other options”.

    Reality does not do “other options” on behalf of campaign-funded, deluded theists, or wish-thinking! . . . and UK hospitals try not to inflict months of inhumane treatment on semi-vegetative children on behalf of interfering, deluded, “pro-life” theists!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43933056

    Alfie Evans, the 23-month-old toddler at the centre of a High Court legal battle, has died, nearly a week after his life support was withdrawn.

    The boy from Merseyside, who had a degenerative brain condition, died at 02:30 BST, his father Tom Evans said.

    The hospital said scans showed “catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue” and that further treatment was not only “futile” but also “unkind and inhumane”.

    The court battle between Alfie’s parents and medical staff lasted for four months.

    The couple heavily criticised medical staff, with Mr Evans suggesting his son was a “prisoner” at the hospital and had been misdiagnosed.

    Alfie’s case drew international support including from Pope Francis, who tweeted support for the family and asked that “their desire to seek new forms of treatment may be granted”.

    Earlier in April Mr Evans visited Pope Francis in Rome, pleading with him to “save our son”.

    Alfie was granted Italian citizenship on Monday, with the country’s ministry of foreign affairs saying it hoped the toddler could have an “immediate transfer to Italy”.

    The deeply indoctrinated miracle-believers, really don’t get it, that medical science trumps theistic false-hope, wish-thinking!

  • What is needed for closure for the child’s parents is an autopsy (with their permission) to confirm the devastating loss of white tissue in the brain, the all important connections from brain stem to higher and yet higher functioning regions of the brain transforming each one of us from fish to mammal, to primate, to human.

    White matter consists of neurons with a fatty myelin overcoat to make the insulated hook up wires, and the real therapeutic problem after neuro-genesis (a big enough stumbling block) is making myelin to insulate them.
    The cells that do this, oligodendrocytes (oily root makers, sic) are the most vulnerable in the brain. Some therapies to restore these are being explored in very small scale application, but whilst myelin coating is achieved, actual axon (neuronal body) functionality has not been restored. We are many decades away from fixing small versions of this problem, meanwhile the non-use of the grey matter will see its destruction by normal processes of “use it or lose it”.

  • phil rimmer #7
    Apr 28, 2018 at 8:49 am

    What is needed for closure for the child’s parents

    True – Something they could have had months ago but for the pedlars of false hope – and exploiting religionists with their own agendas!

    is an autopsy (with their permission) to confirm the devastating loss of white tissue in the brain, the all important connections from brain stem to higher and yet higher functioning regions of the brain

    They have shown no previous interest in understanding medical science, or in listening to doctors. I doubt that their “impervious to evidence” attitudes and assertions of “misdiagnosis” have changed!

    @#6 – The hospital said scans showed “catastrophic degradation of his brain tissue” and that further treatment was not only “futile” but also “unkind and inhumane”.

    This evidence would have been enough for any reasonable person. Alfie was still on oxygen when they claimed he was “breathing normally”, after his other intensive life-support was removed.

    The Dope in the Vatican told them they were right to dispute the doctors’ diagnosis, while media-led massive flocks of the world’s sheeples, jumped up and down in mindless support!

  • Many uneducated parents in that situation will be understandably as far from reasonable as it is possible to be. I can understand how scans may lack a physical reality to them.

    The silly talk of suing the doctors, could be stemmed by the CPS disallowing a prosecution without an autopsy, which will settle the matter. The parents may well punish themselves for not trying harder. Other parents in similar situations and in future may be unsettled by this. The clear demonstration of reliable interpretation by doctors helps everyone.

    The Pope, misery maker, as ever, can go……

  • This 21 year old uneducated father, is clearly steeped in ignorant RCC doctrine, and is being manipulated by delusional charlatans! !

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/25/alfie-evanss-father-threatened-private-murder-prosecution-against/

    The father of Alfie Evans, the critically ill child at the centre of a bitter life-support dispute, threatened to take out a private prosecution for murder against doctors treating his son, it has emerged.

    The Appeal Court heard on Wednesday that Tom Evans had talked of taking out the private prosecutions against three doctors for “conspiracy for murder”.

    I trust that if such stupidity is perpetrated, the Doctors’ Defence Service will make appropriate applications for legal costs against those bringing spurious claims, and possibly a counter claim of punitive damages for defamation!

    Mr Justice Hayden decided at a hearing in the Family Division of the High Court in Manchester on Tuesday, that Alfie should not be allowed to leave Alder Hey Children’s Hospital in Liverpool and travel to a hospital in Italy.

    In his ruling Mr Justice Hayden criticised what he described as the “malign hand” of one of the family’s advisers, law student Pavel Stroilov, who had been party to Mr Evans lodging a private prosecution of doctors at Alder Hey Hospital.

    Lord Justice McFarlane told Mr Evans’s barrister, Paul Diamond at the Appeal Court hearing: “Your client purported to take out a private prosecution to have three named doctors charged with the criminal offence of conspiracy to murder.

    “Those summonses were served on the doctors and I hear you say that there is no hostility to the NHS.”

    It is also quite clear that various woo-infested stooges, are the puppets of the Catholic Church and manipulative campaigns!

    At Wednesday’s appeal against the ruling Mr Diamond told three senior appeal court judges that an Italian embassy representative was in court and an air ambulance was on standby at the “request of the Pope”.

    At the same time two people believed to be German air ambulance staff who had been seen speaking to members of the Evans family were escorted from Alder Hey by police.

    Is there an unemployment problem among air-ambulance staff, with a lack of other demands on their expensive services?

    Appeal judge Lady Justice King disagreed that there was any prospect of Alfie having any pleasure or appreciation of life.

    She said evidence showed that, while Alfie was unlikely to feel pain, “tragically everything that would allow him to have some appreciation of life, or even the mere touch of his mother, has been destroyed irrevocably”.

    A doctor, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said that for Alfie to be allowed home would require a “sea change” in attitude from the child’s family.

    On Tuesday Mr Justice Hayden had criticised Mr Stroilov, who works for the Christian Legal Centre (CLC) as a “fanatical and deluded young man” and described a witness statement prepared for Alfie’s parents as “littered with vituperation and bile” that was doing them “far more harm than it does good”.

    Meanwhile on the subject of “enforcing standards of morality”!

    Merseyside Police on Wednesday evening warned that any threats or malicious comments made on social media against staff at Alder Hey would be investigated and could lead to prosecutions.

    Chief Inspector Chris Gibson said: “I would like to make people aware that these posts are being monitored and remind social media users that any offences including malicious communications and threatening behaviour will be investigated and where necessary will be acted upon.

  • phil rimmer #9
    Apr 28, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    The silly talk of suing the doctors, could be stemmed by the CPS disallowing a prosecution without an autopsy, which will settle the matter.

    That is unnecessary as the advice was incompetent, illegal and probably from a fanatical “Christian Law Student” who had no idea what he was talking about!

    http://quillette.com/2018/04/28/tragic-case-alfie-evans/

    The nadir of this circus arrived with the announcement that summonses had been served on doctors at Alder Hey Hospital, charging them with conspiracy to murder:
    a stunt with not even a veneer of legal respectability.

    Theoretically, such a course could have left Mr Evans vulnerable to being sued for malicious prosecution (although I am sure that the doctors at Alder Hey would not have pursued it),
    and any lawyer associated with it would be hauled before his or her professional regulator.
    It is inconceivable that a barrister such as Mr Diamond could have advised his clients on such a course, so it is safe to assume that the advice to issue the summonses came from Mr Stroilov the law student.

    Finally, the Pope became involved and granted Mr Evans an audience in Rome.
    He is said to have arranged for a ‘military grade’ aircraft to be made available to fly Alfie to Italy.
    This was oddly inconsistent of the Pontiff, because His Holiness had himself written a letter to the Pontifical Academy for Life as recently as November 2017, in which he appeared to disapprove of excessive treatments designed to prolong life:

    The growing therapeutic capabilities of medical science
    have made it possible to eliminate many diseases,
    to improve health and to prolong people’s life span.
    While these developments have proved quite positive,
    it has also become possible nowadays to extend life
    by means that were inconceivable in the past.
    Surgery and other medical interventions have become
    ever more effective, but they are not always beneficial:
    they can sustain, or even replace, failing vital functions,
    but that is not the same as promoting health.
    Greater wisdom is called for today, because of the temptation
    to insist on treatments that have powerful effects on the body,
    yet at times do not serve the integral good of the person.

    One could hardly put the case for avoiding pointless surgery more clearly, yet here was the Holy Father appearing to advocate just that for Alfie.

    Ah well! Compartmentalised self-contradiction is nothing new in faith-thinking when playing to the sheeple gallery!

    The granting of Italian citizenship to Alfie was yet another legal non-starter:
    its ostensible purpose was to persuade the Court that he should be able to travel to Italy as a matter of freedom of movement under EU law.
    More precious time was wasted while Mr Diamond was criticised by Hayden J. for speaking “ridiculous emotive nonsense” and “using the court as a platform for platitudes and soundbites” instead of making the proper legal submissions.

    That was polite compared to his description of Mr Stroilov, who he described as a “fanatical and deluded young man.”

    It seems English courts are unimpressed with fanatical emotive faith-thinking as a substitute for evidence, expert advice, and a reasoned case!

  • I see that where there are papal agendas, large sheeple herds can be assembled to celebrate delusional stupidity – while numerous other sensitive and responsible parents, whose children have needed hospital treatment, and who had their hospital visits disrupted by protestors, are simply ignored as being non-circus-worthy!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-44082157

    Alfie Evans funeral: Crowds line procession route

    As the hearse passed, small soldiers could be seen on the side of the white coffin, and the words “warrior” and “our hero” were written in white flowers on the roof.

    The crowd applauded and some threw flowers as the procession made its way slowly up the road.

    Kayleigh Thomas, 27, from Norris Green, attended with her five-year-old daughter Esme.

    She said: “Alfie’s Army are always here and always will be to support Tom and Kate and the rest of the family.”

    . . . until the next crusaders’ cause is fed to their brains by priests! 🙂

    Several hundred mourners and supporters of Alfie Evans lined Walton Road, outside Goodison Park, to pay their respects to the toddler whose tragic story had captured their hearts.

    Some wore T-shirts with a picture of Alfie and the words: “The boy who brought the world together.”

    As Alfie’s funeral procession made its way slowly up the road, the crowd applauded and some people threw flowers.

    Some people wept as the procession passed by while others simply waved their goodbyes.

    They lost all legal challenges to a court ruling allowing the hospital to withdraw ventilation.

    The case attracted widespread attention including from the Pope, who tweeted his support for the family. Alfie’s parents had also wanted to fly their son to Italy for further treatment.

    A vigil was held last Wednesday on what would have been the toddler’s second birthday.

    The self-centred delusional propagandists, could not leave the unfortunate child alone, even after he was dead!

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