Dan Dredger wrote a new post, Do Honeybees Feel? Scientists Are Entertaining the Idea 3 years, 5 months ago
Photo credit: Tomasz Wojtasik
By James Gorman
Bees find nectar and tell their hive-mates; flies evade the swatter; and cockroaches seem to do whatever they like wherever they like. But who would believe that […]
“Insects might have subjective experience,” he wrote, “but not of a kind that has a lot of ethical consequences.”
This is why we still need philosophers. Cue Pete Singer.
I am disappointed in the level of conscious thinking of these scientists given what has been thought by philosopher scientists before.
This kind of article always resets us to zero and ultimately offers us no real progress.
The key kinds of attributes needed for an ethically significant type of consciousness are minds that form self models and can run these models forwards and backwards in time, and to have aversive and rewarding chemical washes not only in the moment but in anticipation and retrospection of the moment.
Do bees feel? In other research, is water wet?
Seriously though, it depends on how you define feeling/consciousness. Is reacting to stimulus enough? Or is “planning ahead” required? Avoiding pain, or actively fighting back against whatever is causing the pain?
not only do bees have consciousness
but they do economics
where is Laurie B?