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  • Dan Dredger wrote a new post, Hard Truths About Race on Campus 3 years, 5 months ago

    By Jonathan Haidt and Lee Jussim

    Imagine that you were the president of an American university at the end of 2015, as student protests over racial concerns swept the country, energized by the Black Lives Matter […]

    • An interesting and new approach.

      So it will be totally ignored by the majority of K-12 educational areas and many universities will continue to cave totally to the demands of students that do not have much of an idea about what they are talking about.

      High-school grades and SAT scores predict later success as measured by college grades and graduation rates.

      Usually, not always. I graduated HS in three years and had a 3.8 GPA for my BA, but you could not meet a bigger fuck up than I became!

    • I think we need to rid the world (and not by force) of the concept of Race. I think that that is as important as abolishing religious fundamentalism.

    • The USA due to its high societal inequality and the poverty of its welfare provisions is the only OECD country where IQ is actively depressed by poverty, i.e. does not have just the usual correlation of IQ and income earning potential.

      Before any of this social engineering, fix inequality at source. “Christian Nation” my arse.

    • While I am totally on board with sweeping change and welcome diversity on campus, I’d like to see the same yearning extend chronologically back down into the younger kids, especially kids of lower socioeconomic means.

      See, as a high school teacher, I get the “general masses” BEFORE the filter of acceptance into college comes into play.

      I am pleased as hell that folks of color are standing up and demanding representation and equality in the college ranks. I’d like to see their passion and sense of fairness aimed at the younger kids of all races (but the same socioeconomic class) who are faced with a truly troubling situation….

      You see, there is a cultural undercurrent that systematically discourages the poor from striving towards achievement. Much of this discouragement is from within their own families, streets, and neighborhoods.

      I have spent the past five summers teaching a special camp for kids from the inner city (kids of all races). They stay at a college for four weeks, all expenses paid. These are kids that are “rising” 6th and 7th graders. They live in a dorm, experience college labs and classrooms (the curriculum is specially geared toward STEM lessons that are age appropriate). They are picked by their teachers and all the kids in the school are considered. They go on field trips (last year a hydroelectric dam), they get 3 meals a day, movies, they go to Hershey park…. One year, we went to the Philadelphia Eagles stadium, met players, and hung out on the locker rooms.

      We’ve built rube-goldberg machines, studied conservation laws, sustainability, dissected owl pellets, built solar powered model cars, extracted DNA, made slime, …. One year I did the entire camp through the science of cooking…. we even ended that year with molecular gastronomy. I showed the kids how to make peanut butter foam and jelly microspheres….

      If they graduate their elementary school with a B or better average, they are automatically able to attend a private catholic school for free (a $9,000 a year scholarship). If they graduate that high school with a B or better average, they are automatically able to attend Widener University (who partially funds the program) free of charge (a $55,000 a year scholarship)… So earning good grades earns you 2 hundred and 56 thousand dollars in free education. A QUARTER MILLION dollars!!!!!

      We have had 200 kids go though the program (again, of all races). 20 have gone on to the high school.
      None have gone to the college.

      I am flabbergasted. So, the fight on campus is a noble and necessary fight and I stand with the people looking for equality and change. I think there is another fight and until that second fight is clearly identified and addressed, there will always be fundamental inequality in the classes. The rich will continue to get richer and unfortunately, the poor will continue to get poorer.

      One more thing, the US gov’t is complicit in this and guilty up to their fucking elbows in it. Think this over, school districts qualify for state funds by earning higher scores on standardized tests. The school districts that are affluent, where students have BOTH parents working as doctors, lawyers, investment bankers… do best on the tests…. hen, they get the funding. IF YOU ARE A FAILING SCHOOL THEY CUT YOUR FUNDS ( yes I am yelling)…. What planet does that make sense on?

    • Crooked Shoes,
      I would think the purpose of public education is to educate ALL the children. In the USA the education system tends to pick the winners and discard the rest.
      The funding for schools is left to the local level, rich areas get excellent education, poor areas get poor education.
      This policy wastes talent and keeps poor and uneducated areas economically depressed.

    • I have mixed feelings about this subject.
      On one hand, I’m all for equality, and I feel everyone is entitled to a good education.
      On the other hand, higher education facilities like colleges and universities are just that: “higher education”; and they have entry requirements to reflect that (no point trying to teach some-one that will never wrap their head around a subject). In that case, the ONLY “equal” system is to ignore all else but the entry requirements.

      (Minor rant…) A while back, having a university degree MEANT something; a sign of achievement that garnered respect. Now, with the “everyone deserves a degree” mentality, universities have “dumbed down” their courses so that more can pass, and having a degree has lost its status somewhat. My view is that a university education should be a privilege, not a right. (It should be funded somewhat differently than it is here, but that’s a different rant…)(Rant over)

      I guess it boils down to the old “nature vs. nurture” argument: do the kids of “doctors and lawyers” do better because of their more expensive education, or because smarter parents (on average) produce smarter kids?
      It’s when the anomaly of a bright kid from “lower” parents arises, that you have to be careful to catch it…

    • @Alf1200
      The system is broken. The system is broken…. ad infinitum…

      But, the system being broken (the disease) has symptoms…. Symptoms like the bullshit way it is funded, the bullshit rewards system, the bullshit degrees being awarded, the bullshit “requirements” to get into college, the bullshit standardized tests, the bullshit politicians rendering their bullshit proclamations, and ….yes, the bullshit attitudes that are fostered in peoples houses regarding doing well in school and achieving. It is bullshit all the way down.

    • crookedshoes #8
      May 14, 2016 at 12:31 pm

      the bullshit degrees being awarded, the bullshit “requirements” to get into college, the bullshit standardized tests,

      They may well try to fix the problems by throwing dollars at it in selected areas!

      It may interest you to know, that one of my sons is providing IT support and business tracking of $multibillion business transactions for US multinational corporations, from his office in England, where he is technical director of an IT company specialising in high end business software and services.

      Many businesses are now literally “global”!

    • Wow, segregating people into groups and such based on race causes racial divide.

      Who’d of thought…