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  • By Sarah McCammon

    Talking about God is pretty standard for American politicians. But a line that has been popping up often in Donald Trump’s recent campaign speeches seems to go further.

    At a recent […]

    • “Under one God.”

      No matter how you look at it – and it could be pandering or something far more insidious; no way to know – it isn’t good, does not bode well for the future. This is a certainly a critical moment; we are at a crossroads. We are in great peril. From what I have read, it appears that this trend towards authoritarianism, nationalism., totalitarianism, tribalism – whatever you want to call it – is on the rise again. Not just in the U.S.—All over.

      I’m not at all convinced that we’re moving into anything that represents any attractive sort of evolution for man.

    • Dan

      Trump is aggressively pandering. If he wins, which I highly doubt he will, he will turn right around and kick these religio-idiots to the curb. He’s using them for votes. Trump is NOT religious. He’s a selfish businessman. A super capitalist who will slash your granny to pieces to get a buck. I honestly think he’s a stupid person.

      When will November get here?!!! I need to have this over with!

    • I appreciate your relative optimism and your practical perspective, but I am not so sure, Laurie. There is no way to know what would happen. I reject in part the idea of pandering of this kind, to these elements, as a mere strategy. Were talking about white nationalism. The campaign has huge racist overtones. What are all these white supremacists doing all over the place now? He has unleashed them. This is their moment, their hour. They never voted, were in the shadows; they could be found on the internet, but were anonymous. He may not be religious, and he may not be a white nationalist – but pandering to white nationalists and having some of them work for you and using tweets from racist websites. The point is that he may be power-driven and a megalomaniac. And playing on fear and hate, and scapegoating, are a way to consolidate power and to organize. Then things are set in motion. We just don’t know. Let this election be over. Harrowing time. His greed and his economic plan (4 trillion in tax cuts for the top one-tenth of one percent?) and his denial of climate change is in itself something to shudder about, bit there is so much more than that. I need some coffee. Ciao.

    • LaurieB #2
      Sep 19, 2016 at 3:28 pm

      Trump is NOT religious. He’s a selfish businessman. A super capitalist who will slash your granny to pieces to get a buck.

      The gullible faith-believers, have not worked out which tyrannical “god” Trump has in mind!

      “Imagine what our country could accomplish if we started working together as one people, under one TRUMP, saluting one flag,”

      Faith-thinking, and evidence-based reasoning, would probably produce opposite answers to that imagined scenario; – with the “faithful” cheerleaders dreaming of utopia, and rationalists anticipating a militarised morally and economically bankrupt, HELL ON EARTH!

    • We will not necessarily survive a Trump presidency as a democracy. “Democracies are delicate, a state of grace.” And what is so troublesome is that many people won’t even know that anything had changed. But everything will have changed.

      From #4 (Corrected sentence)
      He may not be religious, and he may not be a white nationalist – but pandering to white nationalists and having some of them work for you and using tweets from racist websites is a serious matter.

    • I also think he’s simply pandering. He’s not Ted Cruz, now or ever. I am not worried Trump will win the presidency. I have been, and continue to be worried, about all the governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc., that spout this kind of stuff FOR REAL.

      I don’t think Trump is stupid but I do think his intelligence is very narrow. From what I can tell he is all about business and making money.

      But remember how he got into this race and who his competitors were on the Republican side. Do you think any of them were qualified to be president and to uphold the Constitution? They were all slicker than Trump and almost all threw their support to him because they want to keep Congress. I wish Clinton, Obama, the media, the Democrats would all focus the voters on understanding that they need to focus on state and local elections if they want to keep what they hate about Trump from becoming reality. Remember that Congress did nothing but stonewall Obama on everything it could for all 8 years. We still haven’t even replaced Scalia.

      Do you really think Trump will get the electoral votes he needs to win? I don’t. Maybe it’s good we have an 8 person Court. No replay of Gore v. Bush.

      As for the rest of the world, I don’t know if totalitarianism, nationalism is on the rise. Others can speak to that. People are frightened of terrorism and in the U.S. we are deaLing with a type of terrorism that is new to us but which other countries have dealt with for generations.

      I also can’t wait for the election to be over. I’m sick of the campaigning. Both candidates seem to have settled into campaign mode of attacking each other and pandering to every special interest and assuring the media and us that they are god-worshipping. I wish I didn’t know that Hillary is a devout Methodist who prays every day.

    • Whoever wins, the damage is done, and it will be almost impossible to undo it. Besides, if Clinton wins, what kind of a presidency will she have? Congress and half the state governments will be hostile; even if the Democrats win both Houses, a huge fraction of them are nearly as bad as the Republicans – remember how they scuppered Obamacare?

    • Another thing about the question asked: religion is a very effective way to gain control of the people, to unify and thereby gain control. Hitler was not religious but made religious speeches. I am glad Hillary is a methodist; maybe it gives her strength; she needs it. It doesn’t inform her decisions as a public servant. Kaine is religious but seems like a solid, good man. Not like Pence. He’s a nightmare.

      I don’t know too much about the all-important separation of church and state; can it be abolished? How hard would that be?

      Hillary’s campaign is not as bad. She would love to debate issues but she has to respond to his insane comments and vicious attacks, and the expression of her substantive detailed policies and her ideas are almost buried in the process. It’s awful. But the networks, enjoying record profits, play a role, like to treat this like a sporting event – and Trump and his people are extremely aggressive, never backs up.

    • I think you are right and I don’t know what kind of presidency she’ll have, except that she’s hard-working and intelligent and she will work herself to death to do her absolute best for the country. I think if Trump were elected he’d defer to experts, but I’d be afraid of a Bush/Cheney situation.

      I do agree with you that Congress will be openly hostile to her. On the plus side she’s well used to that.

    • Hi, Eejit

      If I remember correctly, the Republicans were all, and I mean, ALL, opposed to any new health insurance reform. And they had that stupid tea-party thing going on at the time, so the Republican voters were acting like the angry, brainwashed mob that they were. The GOP were completely intransigent, to the man. The democrats wanted the public option. Look I could be wrong; maybe there are a lot more assholes amongst the Dems than I think, but by in large, the Republicans are infinitely worse; all they kept saying is that we should be able to buy insurance in other states to promote competition, etc. They wanted and still want to keep it private at all costs. (Trump wants to repeal the ACA!) So this is what we got, and it is better than what we had before. Saying that the Democrats and the Republicans are almost equally out for private profit and almost equally corrupt is the problem. Not true, and that is why Trump (“the outsider”) is so popular.

      Look, Hillary believes in climate change and is progressive on college tuition and the minimum wage, is not insane, is not pandering to the lowest common denominator, is not a free market fundamentalist, believes in regulation and reform, and is in fact progressive on a range of domestic issues, more so than in the past. Give her a break.

    • I am also afraid of a Trump who delegates in a Bush/Cheney way. We can’t go through that again.

    • Dan

      He may not be religious, and he may not be a white nationalist – but pandering to white nationalists and having some of them work for you and using tweets from racist websites is a serious matter.

      I definitely don’t underestimate the seriousness of this despicable strategy. He has given legitimacy to the haters and they’ve really surged forth from out of the woodwork. It’s alarming. I had no idea that there were so many haters in this country until the tea party reared its ugly head and now Trump is cheering them on. It’s been a rude awakening for the liberal progressives in this country.

      Everything that Bush screwed up has been swept under the rug and sanitized. That shouldn’t have happened. His presidency was a catastrophe on so many levels and now the same people think that eight more years of ignorant buffoonery is no big deal. Just when this place seems to be getting almost back on track and if Trump gets elected I see us pitching face first into the muck again.

      Canada is looking really attractive right now. I’m not just posturing on this. I’m thinking about the young people in my extended family and Canada has much to offer them. We’ll wait and see.

    • What Does Trump’s Promise of a Nation “Under One God” Really Mean?

      It means he’s trying to appeal to a broader group of conservative voters because he needs them to win the election.

      It means (as if we didn’t know already) that he will lie to get what he wants.

      It means there are lots of people “out there” who will believe lies and support the liar if they think it means their lives will improve because of it.

      It means we should expect him to continue to lie to get what he wants if he wins the election (and even if he doesn’t).

    • Here’s some more hot, steaming Trump mouth feces for those who haven’t yet bought their tickets to Canada:

      http://www.npr.org/2016/09/19/494633030/trump-calls-it-sad-that-n-y-bombing-suspect-gets-medical-care-lawyer

    • It means teaching the bible as history. It means teaching creationism. It means tax exception for Christians even when they do nothing to deserve it. It means recognition of Christianity as the national religion. It means expulsion of Muslims.

    • Is he promising E Pluribus Unum, or E Pluribus Anus?

    • … promising… E Pluribus Anus?

      E ostium Trumpi merda.

      A promise we know he can and will keep.

    • and that the whole controversy had begun with — wait for it — the Hillary Clinton campaign. (Source Article)

      Avid viewers of Fox News, will by now know that all evil in the world stems either from Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama.

      Saying that the Democrats and the Republicans are almost equally out for private profit and almost equally corrupt is the problem. Not true, and that is why Trump (“the outsider”) is so popular. Dan #10

      I agree with you Dan, but with perhaps 30% of the Democrats being crypto Republicans, and the likelihood of a more or less hung Congress, there’s no room to wriggle, she’ll never be able to win a vote.

      Then there’s the Supreme Court, the fair and balanced news media, the virulently hostile religio-fascist states, the oil industry, the industrial-military complex, the private security industry, the religion industry….all this in an atmosphere of fear, anger and hate which has been so diligently fostered over the last few decades.

      It’s not a job I’d want, nor a country I’d like to live in.

    • PeacePecan @ # 18.

      He is indeed full to the brim with the stuff, so what emerges from top-front is indistinguishable from what comes out of bottom-rear.

      I always endeavour to avoid the ad hominem, but no one is perfect.

    • @stafford-gordon #22

      …endeav[or] to avoid…

      No need to worry. That particular hominem will never read any of the words written here.

    • @PP #14

      I confess I read only the headline. I think I know the sort of thing he probably said without having to hear it.

      It’s also what a lot of people (esp Trump supporters, but not exclusively) tend to think, as an immediate reaction. Why extend the courtesies of a civilized nation governed by laws to an obvious enemy of not just the nation, but the very concept of civlization, assuming the terrorist favours sharia law instead?

      Forgetting that if the nation does indeed sink to the same level as the terrorist, then the terrorist has won.

      Hey – they want to overthrow our laws, government, way of life — lets do it for them, that’ll put a stop to them….. yes? no? maybe?

      Due Process, that’s what’s required. And very likely a guilty verdict (unless the news so far is completely wrong and he wasn’t The Guy), followed by the appropriate sentence, one that doesn’t allow any chance of going back into the bombing business, ever.

      On voting — it’s probably far more important to overcome the republican majorities than who gets the White House. Trump with democratic majorities wouldn’t get to do any of the crap he says he will.

      Are there enough seats up for election this year to oust the republican majority? I don’t follow US politics in enough detail to know.

    • “What Does Trump’s promise of a Nation “Under One God” Really mean?”

      The Nazis came up with the perfect translation in German:
      “Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer!”

      Hillary is the lesser of two evils. It’s still a shame that our major politcal parties
      could offer the American people nothing more than a choice between two sewer rats.

    • @ohooligan #24

      On voting — it’s probably far more important to overcome the republican majorities than who gets the White House. Trump with democratic majorities wouldn’t get to do any of the crap he says he will.

      Perhaps. But there’s a lot (of damage) a President can do regardless of Congress…

      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435816/donald-trump-presidency-what-would-happen-really

    • Melvin

      It’s still a shame that our major political parties
      could offer the American people nothing more than a choice between two sewer rats.

      Not really. The public mostly chose them..except for a little surreptitious back stabbing of that atheist-looking fella…

    • …a little surreptitious back stabbing of that atheist-looking fella…

      Surreptitious?

      Atheist-looking?

      To whom are you referring?

    • PP

      Bernie.

    • As an American I don’t know what is more embarrassing, Trump or those who support him. It’s just sickening to see this nonsense. I’m no Clinton fan mind you, but she has to win! Period. End-of-story.

    • Davros! Delighted to see you. Hope you and yours are well.

      Yep. She has to win.

    • Yep. She has to win.

      Actually, in the interest of social justice, it’s more important that he lose.

    • Comrade Rimmer…..

      All is loud and obnoxious on the western front!

    • Davros et al…

      i recently had a mini blow up with a family member. It ended with me saying, “my problem with you is that if Hillary were the republican, you’d be firmly in her corner.” I was dead on right.

      Unfortunately, the Trump voters are of two stripes. One group actually supports him, which is disheartening and lumps them into the “gross” category. The other subgroup are the republicans who will not process any information or reach any conclusions other than “I am voting republican”. Now that I think of it, this group is just as disheartening and yep… gross.

    • savro,

      I can only hope this is a last surge of a would be Idiocracy, before decent (young) folk are fully shocked out of their lethargy.

      It is sad to see those impoverished in pocket and in mind champion their greatest parasite yet. The rise of Trump is like that bug described by Dawkins. Ingested by rodents from dog faeces. It affects their brains making them unafraid of dogs which then eat them, completing the bug life cycle. Trump is the dog and his ideas are dog shit.

    • Thanks, bonnie! The very article.

      I wrote it as cats, couldn’t find the Dawkins piece and went to look up some papers. I found a study showing the same rat behaviour but with dogs, so, better safe, I changed it.