• By Robin Bravender

    Donald Trump has selected one of the best-known climate skeptics to lead his U.S. EPA transition team, according to two sources close to the campaign.

    Myron Ebell, director of the Center […]

    • This will Trump’s greatest crime against humanity. Post Paris, with a better than expected 1.5 degree target the world for the first time was starting to see a light on the horizon. China is the largest user of renewable energy and has the fastest uptake rate. India is now making noises that they realize coal will not be their energy salvation.

      But now it is reported in Scientific America that Myron Ebell is to implement Trump’s transition plans for the EPA. These are some of the public utterances from Ebell.

      “True, the climate is always changing. The fact is, however, that a very moderate amount of warming that we’ve seen in the last century is not a very sound basis to believe that we’re going to have a new ice age.”

      Moderate Warming = a new ice age???


      “We’ve always wanted to get the science on trial […] we would like to figure out a way to get this into a court of law […] this could work.”


      “[A]s previous studies have concluded, the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are probably thickening rather than melting.”

      If Trump derails the world’s attempts to save itself from the worst potential effects of global warming with this type of irrational ideologically base rhetoric, then Trump will be recorded thus by history.

      One wonders what goes through the minds of deniers. Even Exxon Mobil, the world’s largest fossil fuel company have this as their official policy on global warming.

      The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks.

      When your team captain bats for the other side, don’t you think that the game is up… AGW is the greatest threat facing civilization. You can’t have an economy if you don’t have an environment. You can’t have a civilized world if the world won’t even feed and water it’s population. You can’t have stability when AGW will produce more refugees than have ever existed in total on this planet, all moving North and South. AGW is the one problem that must be solved before all others. Nothing else matters.

    • I had faint hopes that Trump, known to say things on occasion not even he actually believes, was merely pandering when he posited climate change was a Chinese hoax to kill American manufacturing competitiveness. I thought this because he had recently asked the Scottish government to fund a sea wall around the golf course he and his creditors own there because climate change was raising sea levels and threatening his investment.

      I now realize that by imputing even the merest trace of rationality to “Look-What-the-Cat-Yacked-Up” Trump, I was still deeply embedded in the denial stage of grief. The US is now, as opposed to leading the fight (as it must but will likely never) and shaming and helping India and China into doing their part as well, we are going to be increasing our CO2 and who knows what other noxious outputs.

      Even the poor ozone layer, struggling along to repair itself after the Montreal Accords, could come under fresh attacks because Trump, as he explained to a gagging gaggle of West Virginia coal miners who couldn’t care less but voted for him anyway, that one of life’s great tragedies was that he could no longer get good hairspray since the old ozone-eating propellants were banned.

      Even though Richard would be quick to console me with the knowledge that it was an accident of birth, I am deeply ashamed of my country.

    • @OP – Trump Picks Top Climate Skeptic to Lead EPA Transition

      These media muppets persist in using the deceptive term “skeptic”, when they are talking about “denialist propagandists”!
      In a publication like Scientific American they really should be able to get this right on an article with this content!

      @OP link – Ebell, who was dubbed an “elegant nerd” and a “policy wonk” by Vanity Fair, is known for his prolific writings that question what he calls climate change “alarmism.” He appears frequently in the media and before Congress. He’s also chairman of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a group of nonprofits that “question global warming alarmism and oppose energy-rationing policies.”

      Idiots like this have NOTHING to do with scientific scepticism!

      @OP – link – In a biography submitted when he testified before Congress, he listed among his recognitions that he had been featured in a Greenpeace “Field Guide to Climate Criminals,” dubbed a “misleader” on global warming by Rolling Stone and was the subject of a motion to censure in the British House of Commons after Ebell criticized the United Kingdom’s chief scientific adviser for his views on global warming.

      That is the difference between governments who USE scientific advice, and posturing science illiterates who make up or parrot, propagandist garbage, and don’t even know who to ask for scientific advice!

    • Although Ebell has an M.Sc. from the LSE this appears to be in philosophy rather than a proper physical science. So he’s got absolutely zero credentials as a scientist and yet he wants to ‘get the science on trial’!

      How/why does a non-scientist think he can have (or be credited with) any credibility at all to deny climate change!?

    • How/why does a non-scientist think he can have (or be credited with)
      any credibility at all to deny climate change!?

      Knowledge or experience in a field isn’t a prerequisite for Republicans.

    • Erol #5
      Nov 10, 2016 at 7:31 am

      So he’s got absolutely zero credentials as a scientist and yet he wants to ‘get the science on trial’!

      He is obviously so stupid and clueless, that he thinks all opinions are a matter of personal opinion and conjecture – or simply a dishonest advocate for hire!

      How/why does a non-scientist think he can have (or be credited with) any credibility at all to deny climate change!?

      Egotism, faith, money in sucking up to corporate stupidity, and mutual reinforcement of views from fellow egotistical ignoramuses!

      These sorts of pompous idiots – even if they got some bigoted judges or a panel or jury of fools to endorse their views, fail to recognise (Dunning-Kruger), that all the informed expert opinion in the world recognises them as deluded fools!

      Anyone who knows ANYTHING about science, knows that scientific papers go on trial, after an initial revue checks they are fit for publication and for real scientists to spend time critically reading them. They are then openly reviewed and debated by the experts – competent in those fields, who read those journals!

    • Donald Trump is an idiot. Granted. However, you people are just as stupid as he is. Before you start spouting off about a ‘world consensus on climate change’ you need to go away and learn the difference between cyclical changes in climate and anthropogenic C02 induced global warming.
      There is scientific consensus that the world is getting (very slowly) warmer. There is no scientific consensus that an increase in the concentration of C02 (a very weak greenhouse gas) in atmosphere from 3 parts per 10,000 to 4 parts per 10,000, is causing it.
      That may be why so many CO2 alarmists fear a public debate in a court of law.

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    • A useful summary of Trump’s climate change views. For other oxymoronic Trump science topics (anti vax, etc) see the full link:

      “Donald Trump’s presidential election win stuns scientists”

      Here’s the summary:

      Climate Change

      Trump has called climate change a “hoax” and a “money-making industry,” although he does believe “there’s weather.” He has used scare quotes around the term “climate change.” He has said he would dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency, and “cancel’ the Paris Agreement on climate change, a move that drew an open rebuke from several hundred top scientists. He vowed to repeal key EPA regulations, including those on ozone pollution, the Clean Power Plan, and part of the Renewable Fuel Standard Program. He has said “perhaps” we should invest in alternatives to fossil fuels and access to clean water. But he hates wind turbines and greatly overestimated their effect on birds. He said that “Science will inform our decisions on what regulations to keep, rescind or add,” but contradicts himself in the very next sentence by claiming that the “free market system will regulate the private sector.” In a 2012 tweet, Trump claimed, falsely, that energy-saving light bulbs cause cancer.

      According to Environment & Energy Daily, Trump has selected climate change skeptic Myron Ebell to head his transition plans for the EPA and, such is his devotion to ridding government of political insiders, Koch Brothers lobbyist Mike McKenna to head the Department of Energy transition team.

    • Somehow I think the civilized world can be trusted to carry on reducing greenhouse gas emissions while the USA finishes its dalliance with Cheeto Hitler. Ditto some US states and many US corporations and individuals. Basically the USA is making itself irrelevant, or part of the problem, as it did with the World Court. And, at least in my view, the solution to human-caused climate change, which after all is a problem of technology, must be solved with new technologies capable of fixing and storing atmospheric carbon.

    • Moderator: Anyone who is interested in the science of climate change will find it clearly and extensively explained by Alan4discussion, Phil Rimmer and other users on any number of other climate change threads on this site.

      True. One disturbing implication of this election is that the ordinary voter does not know enough about elementary climate science because he or she does not care enough. Global warming is pushed way down on the list of public concerns by short term self-interest in economic growth and fossil fuel energy supplies and falling prices. In any case getting something done probably depends more on motivation than knowledge generating longer-term, necessarily vague predictions, however catastrophic for the “next” generation. Apres moi le deluge.

    • unless someone can get to trump
      in the same way as advisors did to nixon on epa
      and reagan on ozone
      we’re fucked

    • @norton
      the jewel in di caprio’s before the flood
      is the mayor of miami’s contribution

    • Floridians may have unwittingly voted to become part of the ocean.

      However, there is the possibility that Trump’s stance on global trade may do so much damage to the world economy that many industries will collapse and CO2 emissions will end up declining.

    • Nice hard-hitting comment, Roedy. I said something similar on the other Trump thread. (Why Christians…)

      Hitler: in a way you’re quite right; the planet itself was not threatened by Hitler. But what the Nazis did was unspeakably horrible, and there are some scholars who feel that Hitler was just getting started, was on the path of universal genocide (would have exterminated everyone except those needed for work, i.e., slaves, and the “aryans”); I would have preferred if you had left that part of your comment out.

    • bonnie2 #20
      Nov 12, 2016 at 6:01 am

      Florida will get its seawall, to protect Kennedy launch site,

      If anyone is stupid enough to build a sea-wall or levees to keep rising seas out of Florida, it will be a monument to human stupidity, and a future hazard to shipping.

      The bedrock under Florida is limestone and it is riddled with caves and underground rivers.
      If anyone builds a wall along the coast, the sea will just come in under it, and erupt through the surface miles behind it through the cracks and porous rocks!

      In the past anti-science politicians have wasted millions on these sorts of stupid mistakes.

      There is an empty reservoir in Africa, where the government refused to pay a British company for a “time-wasting sciency site survey”, and employed a construction crew from elsewhere, to “just get on with the job” of damming a river and have faith in building a grandiose reservoir on top of a bedrock of porous gravel!

      It has of course, never actually held water, and the dam has now collapsed after the flow of river water under, it undermined the foundations!

    • bonnie

      Perhaps not…. Ehue!

      Psychopaths broadly split into two types PCL-R Factor1 (charming, narcisistic), and PCL-R Factor2 (impulsive, poor behaviour control). PCL-R Factor1 types very rarely commit suicide unlike their juvenile delinquent fellows.

      One suicide of a PCL-R Factor1 I recall, however was media baron Robert Maxwell 25 years ago. The catastrophic failure of his business after his comprehensive embezzling may have proved too much for the narcissist in him.

    • The seriousness of Trump appointing a climate change denier as head of the EPA is far bigger than anyone lets themselves imagine. Trump is a far bigger threat to the planet that Hitler ever was. As a result of this appointment, climate change efforts are collapsing all over the earth. Conservatives like Donna Ambrose, head of the Canadian Conservative party, argues Canada would be at an economic disadvantage if the USA abandons efforts at curbing climate change, so we must immediately follow on their suicidal path. Anything else would be stupid. Nothing else matters but the next quarter’s economy.

      Further, Donald said “I love war, that that includes nuclear war”. The man is stark raving mad. He wants to use nuclear weapons for intimidation and bargaining. This guy has the mentality of Attilla the Hun, but with weapons Attila could only dream of. I think our planet is done for. His unbelievable stupid supporters who did this to themselves believed using the wrong email server justified ending vertebrate life on planet earth.

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    • If Trump is willing to ignore the laws of physics, the he shouldn’t get too upset when his golf ball ends up in the rough.

    • There’s a sci-fi film just been released called Arrival which has good reviews so I was having a look round to see if any copies had made their way online yet. Not so far but what I did come across was a 1996 film starring Charlie Sheen called The Arrival about aliens trying to terraform earth. Their own star has become unstable and is making their homeworld uninhabitable but the climate on earth is a bit cold for their metabolism so they’re working in secret to make it hotter before the bulk of their population arrive. I downloaded it and it’s not too bad.

      Anyhoo the basic premise is they’re using their advanced technology to create huge amounts of greenhouse gases in underground facilities and release them into the atmosphere so our sun does the bulk of the hard work for them. The grand irony is that 20 years ago when this film was made, 10 years before Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth, this wasn’t even controversial. It was just science – until the world realised how bad the issue was and the fossil fuel industry and the religious right spent millions trying to obfuscate the science. We’ve gone backwards.