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  • Stephanie wrote a new post, Coming Out Atheist, pg 11 3 years, 5 months ago

    “Atheists have to come out! Coming out is the most powerful political action we can take! It’s how we change people’s perceptions of us! It’s how we counter the myths and bigotry against us! It’s how we find each […]

    • Absolutely! Not only does it help to get the message out there that Atheists are not devil worshippers (I’m still amazed at how many people think that) but it allows us to answer the inevitable ‘why?’ that follows. This gives us a perfect opportunity to put forward our arguments and maybe even encourage some people to think about it.

      I’ve taken the simple step of remaining outside whenever a family occasion includes a church ceremony. Then when asked, I ask back, ‘why do you support an organisation that protects paedophiles?’. Sometimes I use the variant, ‘why do you believe in a god that allows his priests to use his name to gain the authority they need to abuse children and get away with it?’. Then I follow up with, ‘would you be doing this if you hadn’t been brought up with this nonsense?’. Some people walk away, but others engage in conversation and I get to unleash all the rest of the good reasons for not believing. The fact that I used to believe until I read the bible gives them pause, and there isn’t a single question that they ask about it that I didn’t think of myself when that bronze-age book revealed the truth to me.

      I’m pleased to say that so far I have ‘saved’ three ex-Christians. I’ve even convinced one of them to become active in spreading the good news in the same way. I’m working on the other two. It’s a start.

    • An atheist can be more powerful by first closing the gap between themselves and a believer by gaining their trust before revealing their position on religion. A believer is far more likely to allow themselves to be lead away from religion by a trusted friend than by a self-confessed atheist with a pre-defined devlish status. Coming out as an atheist can be seen as an aggressive move by the believer brought up to think the worst of “people like that.” The defences go up in expectation of attack before any meaningful discussion has taken place.

    • I have found that for me, the best way to handle a religiously indoctrinated mind..is to just ask questions ,even if I already know the answer to them. Asking questions makes people think and question their own beliefs.

    • Not only does it help to get the message out there that Atheists are
      not devil worshippers (I’m still amazed at how many people think
      that)…

      Vincent Bugliosi once wrote that if Xtian’s used logic, they would be much better off praying to the devil. Why, the logic goes, should one need to pray to God, a supposedly all knowing, all good entity to get good outcomes? Shouldn’t that be the default? Wouldn’t it make more sense to pray to the devil in hopes that he curtails his dastardly deeds? The devil, in most Xtian mythology is given nearly the same strength as god, in fact more it seems if the frequency with which bad things occur is any indication. So logically we should be praying to the horned one to be a bit nicer; not to the exalted one to do what he should probably already be doing if the god heads are to be believed. Of course a few pages into the OT (and yes, select pages from the NT) and one could be forgiven for mistaking god for the devil…

    • How can an atheist ‘come out’? I’ve been told many times that atheism is an absence of belief in something that others believe in. So you can’t ‘come out’ because you have nothing to declare. Should I ‘come out’ as a non-believer in pink unicorns or the flying spaghetti monster? How absurd. You should declare yourselves (or ‘come out’) as ANTI-theists, but it’s an absurdity to come out as a-theists. Indeed I think a better description would be ‘religiophobes’.

    • An atheist can be more powerful by first closing the gap between themselves and a believer by gaining their trust before revealing their position on religion. A believer is far more likely to allow themselves to be lead away from religion by a trusted friend than by a self-confessed atheist with a pre-defined devlish status. Coming out as an atheist can be seen as an aggressive move by the believer brought up to think the worst of “people like that.” The defences go up in expectation of attack before any meaningful discussion has taken place.

      1 That only works a couple of times before you are ‘out’ from your eventual revelations

      2 You are removing yourself from the visible support that helps other atheists know that there are others around

      3 Its a form of manipulation, known as grooming. You are concealing your nature to insinuate yourself with a target and bring them to the place you want while their defenses are down. Pedophiles use that technique but I wont as it is unethical.