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  • By Juliet Eilperin and Brady Dennis

    Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt’s phones have been ringing off the hook — literally — since he questioned the link between human activity and clima […]

    • that’s how to do it
      inundate pruitt

    • @OP – link – “If I am interpreting Pruitt’s statements correctly, I do not find anything to disagree with in what he said: we don’t know how much of recent warming can be attributed to humans,” recently retired Georgia Tech climate scientist Judith Curry, who herself has questioned the extent of the role humans play in global warming, wrote on her blog. “In my opinion, this is correct and is a healthy position for both the science and policy debates.”

      Ah! A blog – not a science journal??

      This sounds like the usual disingenuous crap which fails to properly state the proportions of uncertainty!

      we don’t know how much of recent warming can be attributed to humans,

      Which translated into an honest statement says:-

      “We are not completely certain whether humans are directly responsible for 75%, 95%, 120%, or 150% of the warming, or if they are indirectly responsible for it via uncertain levels of difficult to evaluate feedbacks!”

      Implied DECEPTIVE BULLSHIT” conclusion:-

      Therefore denial of massive evidence is credible”!!!

      The Earth is on a cooling phase of the combined main climate cycles.

      CO2 produces a greenhouse effect.

      Global trade figures show the burning of billions of tonnes of coal oil and gas!

      How certain do we need to be to accept the basic laws of physics and chemistry?

    • Science denial , – hardly a positive attitude for the head of the EPA to have ! I think the new medical term for this disorder is Ostrichophobia, particularly to be found in and around GOP politicians in the USA.

      Ostrichophobia has many similarities to a previous condition Tobaccodenialosis common among those nicotine lubricated politicians of the past.

    • we don’t know how much of recent warming can be attributed to humans,

      To add to Alan4Discussion.

      Think of it like lung cancer. A person who has chained smoked for 30 years and gets a diagnosis of lung cancer also does not know exactly how much their habit contributed by they know it is a very very high probability that it contributed a very great deal. I don’t imagine many (at least those who are not delusional) don’t regret their decision to keep smoking in-spite of knowing the clear risks and having 99.9% of doctors telling them they are at great risk.

      This argument they are using is of that nature but it is ultimately much weaker, there may well be a tiny percentage of people who have a particular combination of genes that might make them unlikely to get lung cancer even though they smoke. The planet has no such protection and what is more the xrays have come back and the tumors are there and growing.

    • Perhaps the dim deniers may eventually work out, that a more energetic atmosphere moves more tropical air towards the poles and more arctic air towards the equator, – according to the position of the Jetstream! – Which is why (this year in England) I am gardening in spring sunshine, while the eastern USA is having blizzards!

    • I was watching a film I downloaded the other day that I hadn’t seen before. “The American President” made in 1995 starring Michael Douglas and Annette Benning. Douglas as a widowed President is trying to get legislation through Congress while also falling for climate lobbyist Benning who’s trying to get the government to do more to reduce carbon emissions. The two main legislative topics in the film are global warming which the President is being fought on by climate change deniers and his attempts to do something about gun crime and assault weapons which the NRA is battling him on.

      It’s weird watching a film 22 years old and seeing the same damn stuff happening back in the middle of what would have been Clinton’s presidency as is going on today. While the rest of the world has moved on well past any sort of controversy stage about such topics and others such as abortion and LGBT rights the USA is still stuck in its time warp of religious, right wing and big money based denial which shows no sign of abating.

      Trump is reportedly about to issue an executive order forcing government departments to ignore or minimise taking into account the cost of carbon emissions in any decision making they do. Within 3 months of taking office he’ll have gutted healthcare, the EPA, education, clean water, climate change, NASA and diplomatic relations with most of the civilised world. It seems the grumpy old white men have gotten just what they always wanted – America transported back to the 1950s. Actually probably even further back than that because at least in the 1950s science was sexy and NASA was how the USA showed the world its technological prowess. I’m wondering when water fountains for blacks only are going to be reintroduced and women are going to lose the vote.

      There was a Star Trek, Next Generation episode when the crew got infected by some sort of pathogen and regressed back to the primordial ancestors of what each species had originally evolved from. It’s a bit like that watching the USA going backwards steadily to the dark ages. All the painfully slow advancement of the past couple of generations being ripped away in just a few weeks.

      Trump campaigned on this dystopian picture of society which of course didn’t actually exist but it seems that what the idiots who voted for him didn’t realise was that he intended to create it, not fix it. A plutocracy where the poor and middle class are stripped of what little they have left to give tax cuts to the filthy rich, 50 plus million without any sort of healthcare again, minorities cowering in fear as the police and immigration hit squads come to round them up and deport or imprison them.

    • @ akrid
      oddly enough
      mad dog mattis seems to have distanced himself
      from the trumpery

    • Which is why (this year in England) I am gardening in spring sunshine, while the eastern USA is having blizzards!

      And later in the year, it will be pavement bistro weather in London whilst New York stews like never before.

      By century’s end New Jersey will have 44 days above 35 Celsius (95F) instead of 4.

      Economic catastrophe awaits the States, particularly those in the south. The whole country will see a downturn of 36% in GDP due to climate warming. The UK will relatively flourish with GDP up from no warming to 42% higher, nearly an 80% difference in outcomes. Smugness.

      I’ll re-post this as q and Arkrid may not have seen it

      https://www.technologyreview.com/s/603158/hotter-days-will-drive-global-inequality/

      The millions of deaths in all the equatorial regions from the crippling of an already pants agriculture, however, and the global chaos of mass migrations will mean everyone will suffer.

    • The U.S. is regressing to pre-enlightenment times, where belief outweighs logic, or knowledge.
      Pruitt is absolutely entitled to be skeptical; science should always be questioning. BUT, he should be defining, then using the necessary resources to protect us, and future generations, from ourselves.
      The current government’s idea of protecting us seems to be pretty blinkered though; it’s based on Bannon’s ridiculous belief in preparing for (and maybe) precipitating the apocalypse.

    • CliveJ #10
      Mar 15, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      The U.S. is regressing to pre-enlightenment times, where belief outweighs logic, or knowledge.

      Trump’s administration certainly is setting that course!

      Pruitt is absolutely entitled to be skeptical;

      But Pruitt isn’t sceptical in the scientific sense – which should be the correct context when discussing science! He is in ignorant denial of the evidence! His assertions have no scientific basis!

      science should always be questioning.

      Science is about questioning, but only ignorant muppets continue to demand answers to questions which have been answered thousands of times by experts, and for which answers are readily available in the basic text books which they have failed to study!

      A flat-Earthist is not a scientific sceptic, and neither is someone who claims CO2 is not a greenhouse gas or the physics is in doubt!
      Such people are simply incompetent ignoramuses, delusional clowns, or dishonest charlatans!

      Pseudo-scientists, AGW deniers, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and Young Earth Creationists, love to conflate the vernacular meaning of words like “theory” and “sceptic”, with the scientific meanings of those words which are very precise and quite different.

      BUT, he should be defining, then using the necessary resources to protect us, and future generations, from ourselves.

      But that is precisely what he is not doing!
      Like Trump, he is appointing grossly incompetent and perverse unqualified people to take charge of the specialist environment departments. The departments which are required to plan the requirements and deploy the necessary resources.
      This is of course combined with Trump’s denial and repeal of needed regulations and de-manning of the the expert services which are needed to de the job!

    • @ Alan4Discussion #11 “But Pruitt isn’t sceptical in the scientific sense – which should be the correct context when discussing science! He is in ignorant denial of the evidence! His assertions have no scientific basis!”

      Scott Pruitt is a lawyer, a politician, and a deacon of Broken Arrow, Oklahoma First Baptist Church.

      Do you seriously expect him to have a scientific mindset?

    • rogeroney #12
      Mar 16, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      @ Alan4Discussion #11 “But Pruitt isn’t sceptical in the scientific sense – which should be the correct context when discussing science! He is in ignorant denial of the evidence! His assertions have no scientific basis!”

      Scott Pruitt is a lawyer, a politician, and a deacon of Broken Arrow, Oklahoma First Baptist Church.

      Do you seriously expect him to have a scientific mindset?

      He is also a climate-change and a greenhouse-gas effect denier, so I don’t expect him to even have scientific competence at school-boy level!

      CliveJ #10
      Mar 15, 2017 at 1:08 pm

      Pruitt is absolutely entitled to be skeptical; science should always be questioning.

      However, it was CliveJ’s claim that he was “entitled to be skeptical” in the context of science being questioning, and in that context, the use of the term “skeptical” should be the scientific one as defined and linked @#11.

      He is clearly NOT sceptical in that sense!
      He is in denial of massive evidence on which he is too bigoted or lazy to study or seek expert advice.

      I thought I had explained clearly @#11 that Pseudo-scientists, AGW deniers, conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and Young Earth Creationists, love to conflate the vernacular meaning of words like “theory and “sceptic”, with the scientific meanings of those words – for the purpose (by the ambiguous misuse of those words) of trying to associate scientific authority and integrity, with their unsupported and false claims, or their gratuitous doubt-mongering of well evidenced scientific conclusions.

      Pruitt is not an informed scientific sceptic! He is an ignorant assertive denier!

    • Posting someone’s telephone number on a web page is doxing, one of the biggest Internet “no-nos”. It will contribute to a denial of service attack. The Richard Dawkins Foundation should have nothing to do with this.

      That said, it is alarming that an environment administrator has such views.

    • https://www.epa.gov/aboutepa/epa-organization-chart

      Nonesense, SteveHorn.

      Let me now dox the DVLA in Swansea

      You can contact the DVLA Swansea (free) phone numbers if you require assistance with your vehicle and driver registration. Call them on 0300 790 6802 to enquire about vehicle registration, 0300 790 6801 for driver licence related enquiries, or 0870 183 0650 for general enquires at 13p/min plus access charge.

    • I disagree Phil. You are not doxing because people will only contact that number if they have an enquiry for the DVLA. The agency number above and on the Washington post site is there to make it easy for people to contribute to a deluge of calls. All you have to do is click on the link and Skype will set up a call. This will lead to overloading the communication equipment and this is a denial of service attack. As far as I know this is illegal. The people in charge of this site should replace the phone numbers with Xs if this is technically possible.

    • SteveHorn.

      I think this is cosmetic with no moral virtue.

      Besides doxing is about publishing the unpublished specifics of an individual. Pruitt is a servant of the people to be publicly accessed via the published contact information of his organisation.

    • phil rimmer #16
      Mar 17, 2017 at 8:15 am

      @ link @#16 EPA Departmental Sections contact numbers.

      Pruitt’s thinking is clearly blocked by bigoted ignorance or a lack of integrity!

      Anyone with a learning ability and integrity, who was given access to advice from a whole list of expert departments – (paid to advise and inform him), would not make idiotic public statements because he still cannot not learn the basics which are understood by most science-educated school children! –
      Another Trumpie “Dunce of the Month” – next to Kellyanne Conway in the gallery of perverse ignorance!

    • I agree, Phil, that this is not the classic doxing of people who want to keep their identity secret on the internet. But calling the main phone number of a government department is a bad way to register disagreement. Mostly people who disagree with what Pruitt said will bother to call. This is not a poll.

      I think the Washington Post has an agenda here. The only reason I can see for them to publish the phone number is to make it easy for readers to call the number and contribute to the deluge of calls which, they tell us, overloads the equipment. Many people who have legitimate business with the department will be prevented from calling because of this crude tactic.

      Encouraging people to flood an address or phone number is a form of doxing.

    • Nope this is still nonsense. Every other officer of the AO with a proper job to do has their own number as you can see for yourself. If you are worried Pruitt will be unable to work then you can rest assured he is getting the right message.

      Perhaps, write to your MP, your Congressman and complain….?

      In important matters that will adversely affect my kids and theirs, (forgive me ) fck propriety or whatever it is. I was happy with a little civil disobedience over the Vietnam and Iraq wars. This time generations will be hurt by this folly.

    • SteveHorn #20
      Mar 17, 2017 at 7:09 pm

      But calling the main phone number of a government department is a bad way to register disagreement.

      Not really! It is what people do when they want to make a complaint about a particular service from a department or organisation!

      Mostly people who disagree with what Pruitt said will bother to call.

      Of course they will!
      He is incompetently contradicting and denying the key major issue he is being paid to deal with!
      That is how complaints are made!
      Whingeing about the volume of complaints is no answer to the monumental mess he is making of the job he has been given to do for the public.

      If the complaints line can’t cope with the volume of complaints, put in some more lines and more staff to take the calls – or better still – train or sack the clown who is giving people good reason to complain because he is too incompetent to do his job!

    • I can see I am out on a limb here. I think it is one thing for individuals to act independently and find contact information themselves, it is quite another for a web page to provide this with the express purpose of increasing a communication attack (I can see no other reason for the Washington Post to include the phone number).

      Try and think if the tables were turned. Suppose Richard says something a religious group doesn’t like. They put the phone number and internet addresses of the Foundation in forums and social media messages with a text about how a deluge of calls can cause great inconvenience to the recipients. These are widely copied and as a result the telephones don’t work for several days and nobody can take part in forums due to people registering their disapproval of what Richard had said.

      I think we would feel pretty annoyed and I think the site administrators would be justified in contacting the police to see if any law had been broken.

    • SteveH.

      I think we are doomed to disagree here.

      This site has been taken down by denial of service attacks a few times I believe.

      Myself if this was from a coherent group and I was RD, I would offer them a platform here to express their concerns.

      The point about phone calls to his outer office is he will hear them unlike emails and tweets. He needs to not be able to shut them out too easily, like he does with other facts.

    • SteveHorn #23
      Mar 18, 2017 at 6:53 am

      Try and think if the tables were turned.
      Suppose Richard says something a religious group doesn’t like.
      They put the phone number and internet addresses of the Foundation in forums and social media messages with a text about how a deluge of calls can cause great inconvenience to the recipients.

      That analogy really does not work, as RDFS, unlike the EPA or DVLA, is not a public service which taxpayers pay for and are entitled to use or expect replies from, on questions about public policy or regulations!

      I think we would feel pretty annoyed and I think the site administrators would be justified in contacting the police to see if any law had been broken.

      It would be quite bizarre for it to be illegal to refer questioners to a publicly funded public information service!

    • If Mr. Pruitt has qualified as a lawyer, we should ask him this….”Since you disagree with trained scientists in the relevant fields regarding the source of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, calling upon your expert opinion as a trained & licensed lawyer, then you should have no problem if we seek legal advice from and have ourselves represented in court by our locally licensed plumber.”

    • Trump is now moving on to “reforming” the tax system – which I suspect will involve tax-cuts for people like Trump – to fund activities like commuting to Florida at weekends in ridiculously large private aircraft or executive jets, producing massive carbon footprints! – But hey! Those mug-voters really do need to tighten their belts so as to elect rich “important” people whose life style needs to be protected from the burden of supporting base-line benefits to the US population or global mankind in general! 🙂

    • It seems we can’t afford to have Republicans in office any more, or people like Pruitt running (destroying) the EPA. This business about global warming is real, I’m afraid.

      (I spoke with a climate change denier this past evening. She said that there are many scientists who don’t think that global warming is caused by Man. All I could say was that there are many scientists who are psychotic too. You can’t argue with some people.)

      http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=18751

      Climate Catastrophe Is Here: 2016 Hottest Year on Record

      Dr. Michael Mann emphasizes says [sic] we are already seeing global impacts; within one to two decades we are on track for an iceless Arctic.